i thought i had to put it in as some nicks are taken and people put other things at the start of nicks.. so i set the check to scroll through till it found the first letter.. ie.. ```sandy, or {sandy}, or 123sandy.. something like that. that is why i did the script the way i did. if there easier way of checking the nick for the first letter inbetween the crap at the start of it, i would be most interested. thanks for the advice there though Noutrious :)